tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post8943919497461925596..comments2020-05-22T07:32:50.354-07:00Comments on The Loveliest Year: Part 3 of 3: Imaginary conversations with a conservative Mormon woman about feminisn and the Church. Genevievehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10777323704321517853noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-35749370719925937752014-04-04T10:02:24.482-07:002014-04-04T10:02:24.482-07:00That's interesting, Jamie. Thanks for pointing...That's interesting, Jamie. Thanks for pointing that out.Genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777323704321517853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-51056319057562574062014-04-04T05:47:54.717-07:002014-04-04T05:47:54.717-07:00Quick point: in the RS minutes it is made clear th...Quick point: in the RS minutes it is made clear that Emma Smith had already been ordained, so when the presidency was organized her counselors were ordained, but she was just "blessed and confirmed." So if you want to argue that "ordain" just meant "set apart," then you're left to explain the "blessed and confirmed," which sounds to me like a setting apart.<br /><br />http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book?locale=eng&p=5Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16414506576878819208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-90100175426841038952014-03-28T15:20:21.032-07:002014-03-28T15:20:21.032-07:00Ben, I agree with Genevieve's reply to you, bu...Ben, I agree with Genevieve's reply to you, but I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion. Is this something you've determined from your own reading of primary sources in LDS history or is it from an article or book or something? Either way, can you share something more about how you draw this conclusion?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05179188681530240440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-56446977613181923662014-03-27T19:58:14.953-07:002014-03-27T19:58:14.953-07:00Thank you very much, joojierose. I'm glad that...Thank you very much, joojierose. I'm glad that you know all three of my sisters. (When people know my sisters, I feel a connection with them even when I've never met them.)Genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777323704321517853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-1038524069531354332014-03-27T00:50:11.844-07:002014-03-27T00:50:11.844-07:00"I only have the vaguest inkling, a hazy visi..."I only have the vaguest inkling, a hazy vision, of a glorious heavenly council that includes men and women, where women are neither on a pedestal nor subjugated, but equal participants with their hearts, bodies, and minds. Where men were made for women just as surely as women were made for men. Where women speak and lead alongside men. I long for truth to pour out from heaven, until the reality of equality between men and women is made fully manifest." <br /><br />Brought tears to my eyes. It's also my hope and dream. Thank you for writing this series - it's so so beautiful. I was brought to it by your wonderful sisters (I lived with Rosemary and Martha in NYC, and was in Syria with Amanda and John years back!). Sending lots of love.joojierosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453347523611616102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-86436427303557497342014-03-26T18:28:03.975-07:002014-03-26T18:28:03.975-07:00That's a very fair point. I might be seeing th...That's a very fair point. I might be seeing this wrong, but to me, the word ordain is significant, not because it makes a clear case for female ordination to the priesthood, but because it leaves room for questions. The fact that "ordain" and "set apart" were not yet distinct from each other is something to think about, no? These days, we see a bright line distinction between priesthood offices and non-priesthood callings. Is it possible that the line was fuzzier in the early days of the church? And if so, isn't that pertinent to this issue?Genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777323704321517853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7124292468599478244.post-3811438338851234592014-03-26T15:21:00.533-07:002014-03-26T15:21:00.533-07:00I don't have time to fully engage or enthusias...I don't have time to fully engage or enthusiastically agree, (I have to say that, lest my only actual comment seem nitpicky or negative). "The word "ordain" was used in setting apart Emma Smith and her counselors" is less determinative than one might think. In early LDS terminology, "ordain" was not yet a technical term and meant, generally, chosen or appointed, as well as both "ordain" and "set apart" the way we distinguish them today. Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827614085758865632noreply@blogger.com